Copy protection...

[CyRuS]

I was just reading a little add in a local newspaper about the CD industri declaring war on piracy...

What is your thoughs about the fact that the music industry is waisting millions of money on trying to come up with new CD protections... why cant they just realise that the only way to make a CD protected in to make it unreadable... and that kinda kills the whole idea ;)

They were talking about lowering teh prises on teh CDs to about 100kr ~ 10 dollars... that would be the best way to prevent or eatleast decrese piray of music CDs... Because the main reason people d/l music and dont buy the CDs are the prices... if they lower prices I would even consider buying records with some bands that I dont realy know but that I got intouch with over the net and thought they were good...

In my oppinion d/l music is good for the industry becaus ethen you can get intouch with alot more diffrent styles of music that you normally would never have got... and the true music lovers are going to buy the records anyway even if they d/l them first... kinda like a little teaser :D

[Bane39]

I think people d/l music cause it's free... even if they decrease the price people'll still d/l music.. really.. the industry fell behind and now they're trying to brute force their way back.. but they really should've done internet distribution of music before Napster got so popular.. but unfortunately forsight is not the forte of big business

[Hybrid]

Because the industry realises that the old saying applies to this case. Give a dog a foot and he'll take a mile. Thats why the music industry spends millions on copy protections and making life in general hard for anyone trying to distribute music.

...but do you stop killing mosquitoes at your barbeque just because you know they will never stop coming?

[Dijital]

give it time and it'll be cracked again...

there will always be people working for the deconstruction of society

[Mork from Ork]

Most of the stuff dled a person would never buy the album anyway. We usually just like one song listen to it abit and then move on. I know that if I had to buy the whole CD to get one song I would not :cool:

[el_dub]

I think people d/l music cause it's free... even if they decrease the price people'll still d/l music.. really.. the industry fell behind and now they're trying to brute force their way back.. but they really should've done internet distribution of music before Napster got so popular.. but unfortunately forsight is not the forte of big business

I agree totally with Bane...This monster was created and now it's way too difficult to squash. I downloaded a sh*tload of stuff off Napster and even got the threatening e-mail from Metallica's lawyers. That was kind of scary at the time. Now I would probably just piss on Lars if I saw him. Little f*ck*r:eek:

[Magic]

i'm like a lot of people i know, i hear a band on the radio, go to the internet to hear some more stuff by them, see if they're one hit wonders or not, and go buy the cd if there's more than 4 good songs on it.

[Mall]

Im with Magic on this, you hear a song like it d/l it play it for a while, look for an album download that listen to it.
If its good I will buy it, if the are a one hit wonder it goes in the trash folder..

More and more new bands are now releasing songs over the net to get heard more, maybe this is the way to go??

[CyRuS]

I aggre with magic to...

But I still dont see a point in the copy protections because most of them are broken even before they are official...

[kgrandpa]

As a few people have said, if the record industry had taken advantage of the Internet when they had the opportunity, they wouldn't have a problem.

I do suffer from guilt pangs when I download an album because even with the big record labels, the artist still loses out. But the whole point of downloading songs for me is to "try before I buy". If I like the music and I can justify spending £15 on the CD, I'll go and do it.

And then I'll rip the songs from the CD to MP3 for convenience. Nothing illegal in that :) As long as I don't share them, but when I'm on KaZaA I disable file-sharing so I don't get my bandwidth raped.

[Luzipher]

I don't think the music industry could have prevented the problem with the net if they were faster than napster. Look at shareware, everything is cracked. As long as somebody is able to do piracy, someone will do it and others will find his stuff.

However, I would not buy music from the internet - there is just a too big chance that I'll accidently delete it :). So I just d/l some songs and if I like it I buy the album - if I have the money. And that's the problem, cd's are much too expensive. And what does the artist get finally ? 10% of the cd's price perhaps (I don't know, so correct me if I'm wrong).

Well, recently there were two studies released which both said mp3-piracy do not affect cds sales... I don't believe that to the full extent, but what does the music industry expect ? Ever growing markets ? Nothing grows forever, and the cd sales numbers got higher and higher for about 15 years.

I don't think anyone could stop piracy ... Ok, they could switch off the internet, but I think that's not very probable, so, even with little rights managment / anti piracy chips in computers - there has been always some firms making money with so called modchips :) They lost and they don't get it, that's why they spend their money for ridiculous cd protections.

my 2€cents :)
Luzipher.

[Hybrid]

Originally posted by Luzipher
but what does the music industry expect ? Ever growing markets ? Nothing grows forever, and the cd sales numbers got higher and higher for about 15 years.


Thats a corporate analyst for you...they DO expect everything to grow and grow because they dont live in the real world. They live in a wonderful make belief, fantasy land all about numbers. We were raped on CD prices back in the late 80's when they were $20 and what has changed almost 20 years ago? Nothing, we are still getting raped and it has become a harder pill to swallow when you know you can get a bundle of a hundred CDs for $40 cnd...

I have contempt for the record companies not the artists. Perhaps if they really cared about the artists, they would increase their end of the contracts, but even now, they still use the artists as pawns to get what they want.

All this is done in the name of the artist because without them where would record companies be?

"Look Johnny baby, people are downloading your album on the net, that cuts into our profit so out of every dollar we lose, thats one less penny you get, so we are going to sue people on your behalf, is that cool?" Johnny? Johnny? Jeez, you look pretty wasted man...think you can manage to sign this piece of paper? For? Ummm, just some legal jargon, hell I dont even know what it means huh, these crazy lawyers... Hehehe, ok perfect, your the man Johnny. You know I care about you right? Yeah, your my boy!"

[Luzipher]

I perfectly agree with you, Hybrid :) Let's set up an internet site where ppl can donate directly to the artists and those f***ing record industry is gone ... nice dream uh ? :)

[snake10001]

msuci is too much. when they have cds u can buy for $5 where you can get customised music, then ill do that. but cds suck. so maybe a flash card for an mp3 player they have to recharge everytime u want new music. id pay $5 for 3 songs if they were good. cds are dead because they dont hold enuf and u cant rewrite to them unless they are rewiteable, but they dont sell those with music.

[Crowebert]

hmmm... i agree with hybrid on this one. i think that the probably lies not with the artists but with the recording companies and with the distributors. they're the ones that go through a whole ton of legwork to get the discs to ppl's doors, and they're the ones who get all bitchy when anyone brings up the topic of music sharing.

snake10001 also makes a valid point. i'd pay 5 bucks for a few songs if they were good, but trying to pass off a single for 10 bucks is ridiculous. 20 bucks for a full cd would be reasonable, but it's not the artists that actually make money off the thing.

oh well, i think this will be one of those issues that will never really die until everythings been nuked and the dust settles... :)

[anvil82]

Originally posted by Crowebert
20 bucks for a full cd would be reasonable

Full cds are less than 20 bucks. I haven't bought a cd in years. The only way I would actually buy a cd, is if they costed $5.00. I would still download music, but I would also buy music if I liked it enough. I don't believe that mp3s hurt the sales of all types of music though. How many Brittany Spears or Nsync albums are downloaded, vs a popular rock band, such as System of a Down.

[Magic]

you'd be surprised... i was in Sam Goody record store the other day, and the latest releases were $21.99+ :eek:

getting pricey now...