Man & woman 's right

[DKjojoe]

Ok..for many ppl you probably heard about this equal right thingy
woman try to make the world accept and respect them equal to a man..so they can do whatever man can..be a soldier..space walk anything man can do..they wanna do it

Ok.fine..we a re equal then..so WTF with gentleman thingy...lady first why is it still exist??

I don't believe in this equal right sh!t..for me I think women are always above man from the start...Lady first...lady and gentleman (anyone go to the party and heard..gentlemen and lady??)

I mean I heard it quite often if I treat woman like a man..they'll say "you're not a gentleman", "You are mean" , "you don't like me anymore" have anyone ever say " you're not a lady??"

Ok..how many of you think..you got more right and control in your relationship than your wife or girlfriend?? even you're family's bread maker but still man may run the show...but woman is a producer.

/edit I do know what gentleman is...and I can say it clearly that I am, man should respect and protect lady.....so I don't think I need theopist after all :p

[husky]

no offense... but you need some therapy....

and whats all this about control in a relationship, it should be equal on both parts

[Hybrid]

Since when does equal rights constitute being a jerk?

Right and control? What does that mean? A women isnt a dog. Like husky pointed out, a relationship goes both ways. Perhaps you should get one (dog) and lose the gf/wife?

You have a lot of anger and resentment towards women...what do you want? Your women to shut up, do what she's told and say what a big man you are? You DO need theropy...and I can see why your mother in law isnt to fond of her daughter going out with you.

Perhaps its been a rough couple of days, but if this is how you really are...then I suggest removing yourself from your relationship and getting your head and your heart straight before raise your child to be like you...

[edStar]

Originally posted by husky
no offense... but you need some therapy....

and whats all this about control in a relationship, it should be equal on both parts

I agree husky.

You are looking at a relationship all wrong. You shouldn't designate who is the breadwinner and who is the producer.

I think you need to modify your outlook on women and relationships a bit.

Besides, a man should be "gentlemen" without thinking. It should come naturally. You should treat women repectfully and equally.

[DKjojoe]

may b you guys are right.....I said may b :p
for me relationship is...I dunno..I don't care about rights...I just do whatever I want,can ...and hope that it'll make my wife and my family happy,
but for real world..ok..for example I always give my seat(on the bus) to a lady...I just can't sit there if there is any woman standing BUT! most of the time instead of thankyou..they just look at me like..I'm a freak or weired and just laugh at me(not just me..the whole bus actually).
One of my friend always ask me for a massage..ok normally I will do it..if I can..but if I say no...she'll say you're mean. Ask tornado

I know man should treat woman nicely...I do.. but.....sometime..I'm just not sure that they respect our action...I want to be a gentleman..not a stupid fool

[kgrandpa]

I'm gonna sort of take sides with DK here, so far as to say that a lot of people (men and women alike) think you're weird if you treat a lady like a lady (as in, you let them go first through doors, you hold doors open for them, you give up your seat for them on the bus etc.)

I've -always- done this, more so if the woman is pregnant. But increasingly in society, there seems to be an "equality" thing coming in where the attitude is "I got this seat first, so therefore I have more right to sit here".

People are taking this equality thing too far. Men and women are NOT equal. We are very different beasts, physically and mentally. By all means, give us equal pay, but there are some things that just can't realistically be made equal.

[husky]

kgrandpa I do agrre with some people do take equality too far. I think there are certainly things men are better at than women and vice versa. What I don't agree with is someone thinking there has to be control in a relationship, both should be equal no matter who is the main bread winner is etc...

[dephier]

equality.

Interesting atm since some fancy Golf Club (I think it is Augusta) allows women to play there, but not let them join. Woman's right's activists are up in arms over it saying that they SHOULD be allowed to join.

But...

Here in NZ we have a Women's only Gym. I can't join, and yet I don't speel off to the newspaper or anything about it..

So why is it that there is one rule for women, but when men are getting pregudiced then it's tough luck mate.

I know that's not really what the thread was about - but equality means a lot these days..

I know that the gym will say "it's so we don't have men perving at the women" or something to that effect. Well at a golf course, maybe it's a case of "we don't want to have women looking at us when we scratch our balls"

you know what I mean?

Nothing against women of course - I just think this whole equality thing is getting a little nasty on some levels.

[husky]

yeah I saw the story about that, and even tho I am female I think that woman should not have been allowed to join, if men want to have a mens only club then it should be their right, I think some women make it their life goal to just to push equality to the limit....they must feel hard done by or something stupid

[Hybrid]

Perhaps its because they had to fight for equality, like the race card. Caucasions cannot say anything considered questionable or they might be dubbed racist and politically incorrect by media. While other cultures do not have such restrictions, exampled by rappers who are devoted muslims, because they have been opressed, not unlike the unequality of women in the past.

I guess when you work at something long enough, you dont see you might have crossed a line you normally shouldnt have.

[DKjojoe]

I think...women try to prove that they are as good as any man...and I agree..there are lots of things woman can do better than man..modelling,acting for example.
Just some women take this equality thing a little bit too far...and that's pain

what's next..woman wanna play rugby??? how about man play netball?? hmmm..interesting :p

[Magic]

Originally posted by dephier
equality.

Interesting atm since some fancy Golf Club (I think it is Augusta) allows women to play there, but not let them join. Woman's right's activists are up in arms over it saying that they SHOULD be allowed to join.



you're right. I was watching on CNN the other day and they were interviewing this woman who was leading the uproar.

Enter viewer questions:

"Hi, i'm an 18 year old Male student who is looking to go to Art school and graduate with a degree in visual arts. There are many colleges that i would like to go to, as they have some of the best artistic minds as instructors. However, most of these schools are women-only colleges. If you want to play golf at Augusta, i want to go to school at Moore College for Visual Arts in Philadelphia (one of the better schools around here). But i can't... becuause i'm male."

the woman was kindof stumped, but didn't say that it should be opened up as a co-ed school.

the called came back on the line "By the way... do you even play golf?"

the woman got quiet. the host of the show re-asked the question.

"no".


It's a very touchy subject, but i want to raise the issue of single sex schools, especially for visual arts, as it is amazingly more common than i thought it was.

Without meaning to be crude and sexist... i say this.

"if you want to be a member at Augusta, I want to go to Moore College".

[dephier]

Oh that's so classic Magic - I wish I had of seen that :)

@DKjoejoe
what's next..woman wanna play rugby??? how about man play netball?? hmmm..interesting

umm, they already play rugby, and I have played netball :) ;)

@Hybrid, you are quite right about racism as well - I think this equality issue doesn't just apply to men/women, I think it's alot wider than that.

It even goes down to such things as age. Back when I was 21 I went for a job as a manager of a particular company here, I got turned down because of my age - nto how good I was or how expereinced I was. They hired someone with less exp (he had just come straight out of Uni) but was quite a bit older. My mate works there and he was telling me that the guy was so useless that they fired him after a couple of months. But - to the point I was trying to make. Equality is a lovely thing, but if it was that guy that got the job up against a 60yo - he still would have got it. There is always prejudicism somewhere - it's just the extremes that are quite obvious (like the men/women and racism issues).

[Hybrid]

There are things in this world that are simply out of reach for certain classes and some people fight their heart out to get that changed, not because they necessarily want the right to use it, but because no matter what, they feel the simply deserve it.

There is no reasoning with people and this whole golf issue raises the bar on stupidity. People are dying all over this world, poor people get mistreated daily, no justice unless you have money, good deeds go unnoticed and just because it causes controversy, the media blankets the public and gives light to the most asinine causes...such as this one and many others...

My view of society and people in this world gets bleaker everyday...

[madbeaner]

Originally posted by Magic
"if you want to be a member at Augusta, I want to go to Moore College".

amen to that

hell, its not just that. try an open a mans network liek lifetime and oxygen. i can assure you it will topple in legal costs after fighting with femenists. :/

well, on the whole gentleman thing, rights and chivalry are two completely different matters. sure, i think femenisits are hipocrite sexists, but that still doesn't apply to your comments.

and dephier, affirmative actions blows. reverse discrimination is just as bad as "normal" discrmination (since i believe them to be the same exact thing). then when they argue it, they say it is "retribution", which makes it much more fucked up in my books.

funny true story, i convinced some friends to try and make a caucasian club, not to really have a club, but just to show the double standard inherent with these minorities, it was outrageous, overnigt we were racist kkk nazi's and whatnot. an exercise in futility, i hoped it would make these kids THINK, but alas...

[kgrandpa]

madbeaner: Yeah, its true. There are many aspects of equality (not just gender) that have differing rules between cultures.

For example, in Birmingham (UK) a guy wanted to open a white-only restaurant. The idea was slammed, his face was plastered all over the papers. He was the epitome of "racist filth".

Yet there are plenty of Asian-only places in Birmingham. Yet we are not allowed to go to the papers and call them "racist filth". It's all double standards.

Another thing that annoys me is in the UK, when you turn 25, your insurance premiums automatically get lower. As if you become a better driver overnight! You don't. You could be one of the worst drivers in the world, but as long as you don't have too many accidents, your premiums will drop when you hit 25.

[Maels]

Originally posted by DKjojoe
may b you guys are right.....I said may b :p
for me relationship is...I dunno..I don't care about rights...I just do whatever I want,can ...and hope that it'll make my wife and my family happy,

Just doing what you want is gauranteed not to make your wife/family happy. The only way you can do that is by thinking about what they would want. I'm not suggesting that you do whatever they tell you, just try and achieve a sensible balance between the two.

I agree with what most people have been saying about views towards discrimination being completely skewed. However, you do have to remember that there are reasons for minority groups establishing restaurants/discussion groups etc specifically for those groups. I'm not saying that it isn't taken too far in some cases, but for the most part, people have legitimite reasons.

[Hybrid]

Originally posted by Maels
However, you do have to remember that there are reasons for minority groups establishing restaurants/discussion groups etc specifically for those groups. I'm not saying that it isn't taken too far in some cases, but for the most part, people have legitimite reasons.


Whats a legitimate reason to open an East Indian only restaurant or an Asian only store???

[kgrandpa]

I suppose a pseudo-legitimate reason may be because they fear racist attacks from people coming inside the restaurant.

You could argue the same about white-only restaurants (even though there probably are none) but racist attacks on whites by Asians/blacks are not very commonplace.

[Hybrid]

Originally posted by kgrandpa
I suppose a pseudo-legitimate reason may be because they fear racist attacks from people coming inside the restaurant.

You could argue the same about white-only restaurants (even though there probably are none) but racist attacks on whites by Asians/blacks are not very commonplace.


Thats absurd...and discrimination is discrimination. I dont know many people that go out for a bite, and think "Hey, we are nazis right? Lets go to a sushi bar! Wait a minute, this sushi bar is full of japs, lets get em!" Restricting your patrons on skin colour or nationality in a restauraunt setting has no relevance in stopping race crimes. Think about it. If you are racist, why the hell would you go eat in a chinsese restauraunt and if you wanted to hurt them, you wouldnt need to be welcome would you.

There are no more "white only" anythings. Besides, I dont recall seeing a North America town in Japan...

There are no pseudo-legitimate, semi-legitimate or any other legtitimate reasons. I dont know what country you guys live in, but in Canada we dont have white only anythings, black only anythings and asian only anythings...the farthest our descrimination extends to is gender and that is also very minimal.

[kgrandpa]

You raise some good points, Hybrid. However, just because there are no black/Asian/oriental only places in Canada, does not make that so for the rest of the world.

As I said, there are quite a few Asian/black only places in the UK, mostly in the bigger cities.

There seem to be (I have no evidence other than my own personal observations, and admittedly I've only noticed this in Birmingham and, to a lesser extent, Wolverhampton) more racism-fuelled attacks on corner shops owned by Asians/blacks than on the black/Asian only places, and white people are allowed in the former. That is why I proposed the "pseudo-legitimate" reason, but in hindsight it wasn't a very good argument ;)

This is kinda going OT now, moving away from gender discrimination and into the even larger grey area known as racist discrimination :)

[Hybrid]

I bet those very same stores are targetted by their own race for letting in caucasions. That proves my earlier point that it is not news to have a black man not allow a white man in his store, but if it was reversed...all hell would break loose.

OT, shmOT...I like threads that evolve, aslong as its intelligent and insightful :)

More of what the internet needs, non childish discussions about important matters that really affect us all one way or another and sooner or later :)

[Maels]

Originally posted by Hybrid



Whats a legitimate reason to open an East Indian only restaurant or an Asian only store???

Nearly all minority groups will be subject to some form of discrimination, its not nice but its true. This doesn't just include Asians/blacks but also groups like whites in South Africa. Because of this, they desire a venue where they are gauranteed to be free from discrimination, which these are. It is difficult to understand what it feels like to be in a minority, unless you are one yourself. I'm not, but I can understand why they would open exclusive restaurants or whatever, although I do think extending this to shops is taking it a bit far.

//edit - I just thought of a prime example of this. Gay Nightclubs. The gay community have several nightclubs which are only frequented by gay people, at least where I live. This is because a lot of people don't like to see two men being intimate and will go to great lengths to stop them. They don't do this because they are discrimination against non-gays, it is because they don't want the hassle they get in a lot of places.

[kgrandpa]

Yeah, thats about as good an example as one could get there, Maels.

Hybrid: I too enjoy an insightful discussion, but I thought it best to try and keep it on track lest BM or zedug try to claim this thread in the name of France ;)

A lot of your stereotypical corner shops don't get attacked by their own race because the majority of those in the ethnic minority realise that they ARE a minority and that realistically, the owners of the shop need to let those from the "oppressive" majority in in order to keep the books balanced. There are, I dare say, a few idiots who do attack though, but thats just a way of life.

[Hybrid]

A gay nightclub does not discriminate against straight people. Straight people dont just go into them for obvious reasons. If you walked up I severly doubt they would ask you your sexual preference and deny you entrance if you werent gay. You want to prove me wrong, walk up to the bouncer and ask him if straight people are allowed in as well...the answer is going to be yes. The stores and restaurants that only cater to minorities do not exist either. If a caucasion man enters their premises, I doubt they would ask him to leave, stating they do not serve his kind.

It doesnt make sense opening a limited restauraunt because its not an irc chan or a bulletin board. You are there to make money and believe it or not, most restauraunts that supply food that is considered exotic, cater to caucasions and tourists, atleast in my city.

Discrimination is one thing, but choice and personal preference is another. To avoid an asian restauraunt is one thing, but to get refused service because of the colour of your skin is another...and in this day and age, I doubt that happens much unless they are in very rural villages or backwater towns...most prominent areas are free from such things.

Race segregation is now a choice. Most races tend to form their own communities, their own malls, their own eateries and their own places to gather for the reasons you mentionned maels. It doesnt mean you cant go there...granted you wont be well received, but you still get served...

[Magic]

Originally posted by madbeaner

hell, its not just that. try an open a mans network liek lifetime and oxygen. i can assure you it will topple in legal costs after fighting with femenists. :/


The Man Show on Comedy Central in the US is about as good as we'll get. Besides, guys have "motorsports" channels, or shows. Women have soaps. Typically, anyway.

Are there masculinists? :D

[madbeaner]

magic, you won't believe the shit they had to wade through to keep the man show on the air, luckily comedy central isn't PC :D

[Maels]

Originally posted by Hybrid
Race segregation is now a choice. Most races tend to form their own communities, their own malls, their own eateries and their own places to gather for the reasons you mentionned maels. It doesnt mean you cant go there...granted you wont be well received, but you still get served...

True, I never actually claimed that exclusive venues are rampant, I have never seen one. But I can understand why they would be founded. The reasons are probably pretty similar to why there are men only golf clubs or women only colleges - they simply want to spend time with people similar to themselves.